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PROCEEDINGS RESUME ON 29 JUNE 2020
C H A I R P E R S O N : G o o d m o r n i n g M s H o f m e y r, g o o d m o r n i n g
e v e r y b o d y.
A D V H O F M E Y R : G o o d m o r n i n g C h a i r.
C H A I R P E R S O N : H m . Ye s a r e w e r e a d y t o st a rt ?
A D V H O F M E Y R : I n d e e d C h a i r. I f I m a y j u st i n d i c a t e …
CHAIRPERSON: One second.
A D V H O F M E Y R : C e rt a i n l y.
C H A I R P E R S O N : W h y d o I n o t h a v e a n y p a p e r s h e re ?
10

ADV HOFMEYR:

C h a i r t h a t i s b e c a u se I w a s g o i n g t o h a n d

them up to you.
C H A I R P E R S O N : O h o k a y.
ADV HOFMEYR:

Th e y o n l y c a m e t h r o u g h a s y o u w i l l b e

a w a r e l a st n i g h t .
C H A I R P E R S O N : L a t e – y e s. O k a y.
ADV

HOFMEYR:

So

if

I

could

j u st

i n t ro d u c e

what

is

h a p p e n i n g t h i s m o rn i n g .
CHAIRPERSON: Ja.
ADV HOFMEYR:
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T h e c o m m i s si o n w a s s c h e d u l e d t o r e ce i ve

t h e e vi d e n c e o f M r M a j o l a t h i s m o r n i n g . C h a i r yo u w i l l re c a l l
t h a t M r M a j o l a w a s i m p l i c a t e d i n t h e e vi d e n c e o f M r X w h i ch
w a s r e c e i v e d b y t h e c o m m i s si o n i n t h e F e b r u a r y h e a ri n g .
P u r s u a n t t o t h a t a n d i n f a ct i n F e b r u a r y t h e s c h e d u l e o f
w i t n e s s e s a n t i ci p a t e d t h a t w e w o u l d h e re f r o m M r M a j o l a
a f t e r M r X ’s e v i d e n c e .

B u t o n t h e e v e o f Mr M a j o l a ’s
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e vi d e n c e

in

F e b ru a r y

we

received

an

application

p o st p o n e m e n t a n d t h a t a p p l i c a t i o n w a s g r a n t e d .

for

a

To d a y w a s

t h e n e xt s c h e d u l e d d a t e f o r M r M a j o l a ’s e vi d e n c e a n d l a t e
y e st e r d a y e v e n i n g w e r e c e i v e d a s e c o n d a p p l i ca t i o n f o r
p o st p o n e m e n t .

Chair what we have prepared overnight for

y o u i s a c o p y o f t h a t a p p l i ca t i o n . I m u st j u st e x p l a i n a l l t h a t
c a m e t h ro u g h t o u s y e st e r d a y w a s t h e N o t i c e o r M o t i o n a n d
f o u n d i n g a ff i d a vi t e x cl u d i n g i t s a n n e x u r e s.

I u n d e r st a n d

f ro m m y l e a r n e d f ri e n d a n d t h e y w i l l a d d r e s s t h i s t h e r e w a s a
10

d i ff i c u l t y

with

l o a d sh e d d i n g

and

their

a n n e x u r e s t h r o u g h ye st e r d a y e v e n i n g .

ability

to

get

the

They have brought

copies this morning but the consequence of that is that you
will get a file as you usually do with the Notice of Motion and
a ff i d a vi t b u t I h a v e l i t e r a l l y j u st h a d t o i n s e rt t h e a n n e xu r e s
i n t h e b a c k b e c a u se t h o s e c a m e t h ro u g h l i t e r a l l y a f e w
moment ago.
then

to

But if I may beg leave to hand that up and

hand

over

a p p l i ca t i o n i f I m a y ?

to

my

learned

f ri e n d

to

move

the

C h a i r t h i s i s m y f i r st t i m e i n t h e n e w

v e n u e a n d i n t h e n e w w o rl d co n d i t i o n s a n d s o I j u st w o u l d
20

like

to

get

yo u r

guidance.

Will

my

l e a rn e d

f ri e n d

be

a d d r e s si n g y o u f r o m w h e r e h e i s s e a t e d o r w o u l d y o u p re f e r
him to come to the podium?
CHAIRPERSON:

I prefer them to come to the podium if – if

– u n l e s s t h e r e i s a p a rt i c u l a r i s s u e b u t I t h i n k i f t h e y c o m e t o
t h e p o d i u m t h e re w o u l d n e e d t o b e s o m e b o d y w h o w i l l c o m e
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a n d w i p e f i r st . I f t h e r e i s s u c h a – s u c h a p e r so n t h e n I t h i n k
there is – then that would be fine.
A D V H O F M E Y R : S o w e w i l l e n s u re w e s a n i t i se i t a n d t h e n I
w i l l a s k m y l e a r n e d f ri e n d .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s, y e s. J a . J a .
A D V H O F M E Y R : To c o m e u p .
CHAIRPERSON: Ja.
A D V H O F M E Y R : T h a n k y o u C h a i r.
C H A I R P E R S O N : O k a y. T h a n k y o u .
10

ADV ROETS:

G o o d m o r n i n g C h a i r I t h i n k I h a ve a l re a d y

g r e e t e d yo u .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV ROETS: But as …
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s. Ye s.
A D V R O E T S : A s a co u rt e s y g e st u re I j u st w i s h t o s a y g o o d
morning again.
CHAIRPERSON:

Good

morning,

good

morning,

good

morning.
ADV ROETS:
20

M a y I b e g i n C h a i r b y st a t i n g t h a t b y w a y o f

i n t r o d u ct i o n t h a t I f e l l o ff t h e H i g h C o u rt st e p s s o m e w e e k s
ago.
CHAIRPERSON: Hm.
A D V R O ET S :

A n d I i n j u r e d b y b a c k r a t h e r s e ve r e l y t o s u ch

a n e xt e n t t h a t I h a d t o g o f o r a n M R I a n d l a t e r h a d t o g o f o r
a lumber cerotomy a few weeks ago.
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CHAIRPERSON: Hm.
A D V R O E T S : S o I a m st i l l a s I a m st a n d i n g h e r e …
C H A I R P E R S O N : B u t i f i t w o u l d b e m o r e c o n ve n i e n t y o u c a n
address me seated. I did not know about that.
ADV ROETS: I will – I will beg your indulgence.
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s, N o , n o .
A D V R O E T S : I f I c a n n o t st a n d a n y m o r e .
C H A I R P E R S O N : B y a l l m e a n s, b y a l l m e a n s, y e s.
A D V R O E T S : I t s o h a p p e n s p e r h a p s i t i s M u r p h y’s L a w t h a t
10

the gentleman who brought us to the venue also dropped us
a b o u t 5 0 0 m e t r e s a n d w e h a d t o w a l k.
C H A I R P E R S O N : O h ye s.
A D V R O E T S : A n d I l i m p e d h e r e . F o rt u n a t e l y, m y i n st ru ct i n g
attorney …
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
A D V R O E T S : C a r ri e d m y b ri e f c a s e .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
A D V R O E T S : B u t w e m a d e a n y e v e r y e ff o rt t o se e t o i t t h a t
w e c o m p l y w i t h o u r o b l i g a t i o n s t o w a rd s t h i s c o m m i s si o n .

20

C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s. Ye s.
ADV ROETS: And see to it that we are here.
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV ROETS: So thank you for allowing me.
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
A D V R O E T S : To a d d r e s s y o u o n t h i s a s i n t r o d u ct i o n .
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C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s. N o , n o t h a n k y o u .
A D V R O E T S : T h a n k yo u .
CHAIRPERSON:
seat

from

A n d f o r m a y b e o n c e y o u a re b a c k a t yo u r

where

you

think

I

think

it

would

be

more

c o n ve n i e n t f o r y o u t o a d d r e s s m e y o u c o u l d j u st f o r t h e s a k e
o f t h e r e c o r d j u st p l a c e t h e n a m e s o n r e c o rd y o u r s e l f – t h e
i n st r u ct i o n a t t o r n e y a n d o f c o u r s e w h o yo u r e p r e s e n t .
A D V R O E T S : I n d e e d C h a i rm a n .
C H A I R P E R S O N : J u st f o r t h e r e c o r d . Ja .
10

A D V R O E T S : T h a n k yo u , t h a n k y o u s o m u c h C h a i r. I n vi e w
o f w h a t y o u sa i d t o m e f o r r e co r d p u r p o s e s I a m A d v o c a t e
Francois

Roets

i n st r u ct i o n s

of

Counsel
Sarlie

and

re p r e s e n t i n g
Ismail

Mr

Incorporated

Majola
from

on
Bez

Va l l e y, J o h a n n e s b u r g .
CHAIRPERSON: Thank you. Thank you.
A D V R O E T S : T h a n k yo u . M y L o rd t h i s i s a n a p p l i c a t i o n a n d
we have filed a Notice of Motion.

I kn o w m y i n s t ru ct i n g

a t t o r n e y o f r e c o r d m a d e c o n c e rt e d e ff o rt s t o e n d e a v o u r t o
s e e t o i t t h a t t h e n e c e s s a r y p a p e r s w i t h t h e s u p p o rt i n g
20

a ff i d a vi t s a n d a n n e xu r e s t h e r e t o a r e p r e s e n t e d t o a l l t h e
re l e v a n t p a rt i e s a s a m a t t e r o f e xt r e m e u r g e n c y. I n f a ct l a t e
y e st e r d a y a f t e r n o o n I i n c e s s a n t l y t r i e d t o g e t h o l d h i m s a yi n g
t h a t I n e e d t h e p a p e r s, I n e e d t h e p a p e r s, I n e e d t h e p a p e r s
and I could not get through to him and I later around about
si x o ’ cl o c k o n l y g o t t h r o u g h t o h i m a n d h e h a d l o a d s h e d d i n g
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a n d l o a d s h e d d i n g b ro u g h t a b o u t t h a t h e c o u l d n o t o p e r a t e
w h a t so e v e r a n d m a k i n g ca l l s a n d p r i n t i n g e t c e t e r a , e t c e t e r a
that goes along with it.

And he also bumped his head.

But

be that as it may this is an application.
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
A D V R O E T S : To – t o h a v e t h e …
CHAIRPERSON:

D i d y o u u l t i m a t e l y c h o o se t o a d d r e s s m e

st a n d i n g b e ca u s e I d i d a l l o w y o u t o b e se a t e d .
A D V R O E T S : Ye s t h a n k y o u s o m u c h . I w i l l – I w i l l …
10

C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV ROETS:

B e g y o u r i n d u l g e n c e t o si t i n t h e e v e n t t h a t I

c a n n o t I c a n n o t st a n d a n y m o r e .
C H A I R P E R S O N : O k a y. O k a y. A l ri g h t t h a n k y o u .
ADV ROETS:

This is an indeed then, as I have said Mr

C h a i r a n a p p l i c a t i o n t h a t t h e C h a i r c o n si d e r s t h a t t h e m a t t e r
t h a t w a s e n r o l l e d f o r t o d a y.
CHAIRPERSON: Hm.
A D V R O E T S : I n r e s p e ct o f M r M a j o l a b e d e f e r r e d a n d t h a t i t
b e e n t e rt a i n e d o n a l a t e r o c c a si o n .
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In the Notice of Motion

w h i c h i s s u p p o rt e d b y t h e a ff i d a vi t o f m y i n st r u ct i n g a t t o r n e y
M r S a rl i e h e c o m p r e h e n si v e l y d e a l s w i t h t h e e ff o rt s t h at
h a ve b e e n m a d e t o p r o c u r e t h e n e c e s s a r y i n f o rm a t i o n f r o m
M r M a j o l a . I t h i n k i t i s cl e a r f r o m r e a d i n g o f t h e p a p e r s a n d I
w i l l t a ke y o u t h ro u g h i t i f y o u h a d n o t h a d t h e o p p o r t u n i t y t o
re a d t h r o u g h i t .
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C H A I R P E R S O N : I h a v e h a d t h e o p p o rt u n i t y t o l o o k a t i t . M s
H o f m e y r w a s ki n d e n o u g h t o m a k e s u r e t h a t a f t e r s h e
re c e i v e d t h e N o t i c e o f M o t i o n a n d a ff i d a vi t s l a st n i g h t .
ADV ROETS: Ja.
C H A I R P E R S O N : S h e s e n t i t t h r o u g h . B u t y o u c a n o b vi o u sl y
e m p h a si s e t h e i m p o rt a n t f e a t u re s o f t h e a p p l i c a t i o n .
ADV ROETS:

I t h i n k w e c a n e x p e ct n o t h i n g l e s s o f h e r

e s p e c i a l l y b e i n g w h o sh e i s.

T h e – t h e a ff i d a vi t h i g h l i g h t s

t h e f a ct t h a t c o n c e rt e d e ff o rt s w e r e m a d e t o g e t h o l d o f M r
10

Majola.

S o rr y m a y I j u st i n t e r p o l a t e a t t h i s st a g e a n d se e I

h a ve g o t a b o t t l e w i t h m e a n d n o g l a s s e s.
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
A D V R O E T S : M a y I d ri n k f ro m t h e b o t t l e .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s, y e s t h a t i s f i n e , t h a t i s f i n e . J a .
A D V R O E T S : A n d d e sp i t e M r S a rl i e h a vi n g d r a f t e d w h a t e v e r
h e c o u l d o n w h a t h e h a d o n t h e o c c a si o n s t h a t h e c o u l d h a v e
s p o ke n t o M r M a j o l a i t st i l l a p p e a r s t h a t D o ct o r P i l l a y h o l d s
t h e vi e w t h a t M r M a j o l a i s n o t w e l l a n d p e r h a p s i t i s
M u r p h e y’s L a w t h e d o ct o r h i m s e l f – a p s y c h i a t r i st a t t ra ct e d
20

C o vi d - 1 9 a n d w a s i n d i s p o se d h i m s e l f f o r a n u m b e r o f d a y s.
S o w e w e r e a t p a i n s t o s e e t o i t t h a t w e a re ri g h t a n d r e a d y.
We a r e f u l l y a w a r e o f t h e i m p o r t a n ce o f t h i s co m m i s si o n
and…
CHAIRPERSON: Maybe you might…
A D V R O E T S : A n d w h a t t h e c o u rt h a s t o d o .
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CHAIRPERSON:

Yo u m i g h t w i s h t o p u t y o u r b o t t l e w h e r e i t

is flat ja.
ADV ROETS:
has

to

A n d w h a t t h e co m m i s si o n a n d w h a t t h e C h a i r

d e ci d e

information

and

that

you

the

barrage

have

to

and

the

plethora

re c e i v e

and

you

of

cannot

s u c c u m b t o t h e w h i m s o f – o f l e g a l re p r e s e n t a t i v e s o r cl i e n t s
w h o a r e n o t s e ri o u sl y – w h o t r y a n d p l a y g a m e s o r d o n o t
re a l l y w a n t t o b e s e r i o u s i n t h e i r p r e s e n t a t i o n o r n o t o f t h e i r
e vi d e n c e .
10

B u t I s u b m i t t h a t i t i s cl e a r f i r st l y t h a t w e a r e n o t i n a
p o si t i o n d e sp i t e c o n ce rt e d e ff o rt s t o – t o p r e s e n t t o t h i s
c o m m i s si o n a n d t o y o u C h a i r t h e c o m p r e h e n si v e a ff i d a vi t
which entails all that we have to say and in answer to the
e vi d e n c e t h a t w e re c e i v e d .

B u t w e ca n o n l y d o s o i f w e a r e

content and you know much better than I do that we always
h a ve t o a ct i n t h e b e st i n t e r e st o f o u r cl i e n t .
T h a t w e h a v e t o h a v e t h e o k a y o f t h e p s y c h i a t ri s t
st a t i n g t h a t M r M a j o l a i s i n s u c h a p o si t i o n o f h e a l t h t h a t h e
i s a b l e t o e l u d e t o a n d a d v a n ce a s e n si b l e , a w e l l i n f o r m e d
20

a n d a p r o p e r st a t e m e n t a n d f a ct s t o u s w i t h a vi e w t o
e n a b l i n g u s a s a m a t t e r o f e xt r e m e u r g e n c y t o p r e s e n t t h e
d o cu m e n t a t i o n w e a r e o b l i g e d t o d o a n d w e i n t e n d t o d o .
So

on

that

s co r e

I

will

pray

that

yo u

c o n si d e r

p o st p o n i n g t h i s a p p l i c a – t h e m a t t e r t o d a y t o a d a t e s u i t a b l e
t o – t o y o u C h a i r.
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CHAIRPERSON:

No thank you.

The – the matter that is of

s o m e c o n c e r n t o m e w h i c h I t h i n k y o u w o u l d h a ve s u s p e ct e d
w o u l d b e o f c o n c e rn t o m e i s t h a t I t h i n k i t i s t h e a d t i m e i f I
a m n o t m i st a ke n w h e n t h e c o m m i s si o n h a s f i xe d a d a t e f o r
M r M a j o l a t o co m e a n d a p p e a r a n d h e – h e i s u n a b l e t o d o
s o a n d i t w o u l d s e e m i f I re a d t h e p a p e r s co r re ct l y i t w o u l d
s e e m t h a t – i t s e e m s t o a l w a y s h a p p e n j u st b e f o r e t h e
h e a ri n g – t h e d a t e o f h i s a p p e a r a n c e .
A D V R O E T S : Y s.
10

CHAIRPERSON:

I m a y b e m i s r e a d i n g so m e t h i n g b u t t h a t i s

t h e i m p re s s i o n I g e t a n d t h a t i s a l i t t l e b i t o f c o n c e r n t o m e .
A D V R O E T S : I u n d e r st a n d t h a t C h a i r. I i n f a ct n o t o n l y a s a
member

of

the

High

C o u rt

but

as

Counsel

a p p e a ri n g

s p e ci f i c a l l y d e a l t w i t h t h i s a n d w i t h M r S a rl i e a n d I t o l d h i m
t h a t u n d e r n o ci r c u m st a n c e s m u st t h e i m p r e s si o n b e c re a t e d
t h a t w e a r e e n g a g i n g d e l a yi n g t a ct i c s o r e v e r y t i m e j u st
b e f o r e h e h a s t o t e st i f y t h e r e i s s o m e o r o t h e r r e a s o n f o r h i m
n o t t o – t o d e ci d e w h a t t o d o .
A s I s a y – a s I u n d e r st a n d w e d o n o t n e e d t o f i l e a n
20

a ff i d a vi t b e f o r e h a n d b u t w e w i l l i n d e e d c o n si d e r d o i n g s o .
B u t I a m s u re t h a t y o u c a n re st a s s u r e d t h a t w e h a v e m a d e i t
a b u n d a n t l y cl e a r a n d I a m s u r e M r – M r S a rl i e t o o k m u c h
e ff o rt i n a l e rt i n g a l l p a rt i e s t h a t t h i s w i l l n o t b e t o l e r a t e d
e s p e c i a l l y b y t h i s c o m m i s si o n a n d I u n d e r t h e c i r c u m s t a n ce s
I a m b o u n d b y t h e i n st r u ct i o n s t h a t I h a ve .
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I a l s o i n i t i a l l y w h e n I re a d t h e s e p a p e r s h a d t h e s a m e
t h o u g h t s t h a t y o u h a d a n d t h e l a st t h i n g e v e r i s t h a t I w a n t
t h e C h a i r t o e ve r g e t t h e i m p r e s si o n t h a t w e a re p l a yi n g
g a m e s o r e m b a r ki n g i n d e l a yi n g t a ct i c s o r w h a t s o e v e r.

We

k n o w i t i s e xt re m e l y e x p e n si v e t o h a ve t h i s c o m m i s si o n si t .
We h a v e t h e D e p u t e C h i e f J u st i c e c h a i ri n g a n d w e h a ve n o
o b l i g a t i o n s f i r st a n d f o re m o st o u r a l l e g i a n c e i s t o w a r d s y o u
M r C h a i r a n d t h e n t o w a r d s o u r cl i e n t .
S o w e w i l l d o e v e r yt h i n g a n d I g i v e y o u t h i s a s a n
10

u n d e rt a ki n g a s C o u n s e l t h a t w e w i l l d o e v e r yt h i n g i n o u r –
w h i c h i s p o s si b l e t o e n s u r e t h a t w e a s a m a t t e r o f e xt r e m e
urgency obtain the – the information that we need.

Ta ke a

w e l l -i n f o r m e d d e ci si o n a n d a d vi s e t h e p a rt i e s a c co r d i n g l y.
B u t I a m u n f o rt u n a t e l y b o u n d b y t h e d o cu m e n t s t h a t I
h a ve . I t h i n k m y s u b j e ct o f b e l i e f w h e t h e r i t i s ri g h t o r w r o n g
i s i rr e l e v a n t . I a m b o u n d b y t h i s a n d I s h a r e y o u r c o n ce r n i n
this regard.
CHAIRPERSON:

No, no that is fine.

H o f m e y r h a s t o s a y.
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I will hear what Ms

I – I am encouraged by the assurance

you have given me as Counsel.
A D V R O E T S : T h a n k yo u .
CHAIRPERSON:

T h a t y o u w i l l d o e v e r yt h i n g i n y o u r p o w e r

t o g e t h e r w i t h y o u r i n st r u ct i n g a t t o r n e y.
A D V R O E T S : T h a n k yo u s o m u c h C h a i r.
CHAIRPERSON:

To

make

s u re

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that

there

is

proper

15 JULY 2020 – DAY 232
cooperation from Mr Majola.
A D V R O E T S : T h a n k yo u .
CHAIRPERSON:

So as you know you know the role of

C o u n se l a n d a t t o r n e y s i n m a t t e r s s u c h a s t h i s c a n g o a l o n g
w a y.
A D V R O E T S : Ye s .
CHAIRPERSON:

To

e n s u ri n g

that

there

is

proper

c o o p e r a t i o n f r o m C l i e n t s.
CHAIRPERSON:
10

M y L o rd f o r w h a t – a g C h a i r f o r w h a t i t i s

w o rt h i n a l l t h e y e a r s o f p ra ct i c e a n d I h a v e b e e n p r a ct i ci n g
f o r m a n y, m a n y y e a r s I h a v e h a d t h e p ri vi l e g e o f b e i n g o n
t h e b e n c h m y s e l f f o r t e n y e a r s a s a R e g i o n a l M a g i st r a t e a n d
I

do

not

think

it

can

e v e r,

ever

be

sa i d

that

d e l i b e r a t e l y o r d e l a y e d a n y p r o c e d u re w h a t s o e ve r.

I

ever

I b e l i e ve

i n t h a t j u st i ce m u st b e d o n e , i t m u st b e d o n e s w i f t a n d w e
m u st g e t o ve r w i t h . T h a n k yo u s o m u c h .
C H A I R P E R S O N : N o , n o t h a n k yo u v e r y m u c h . T h a n k y o u .
A D V R O E T S : T h a n k yo u . T h a n k y o u M r C h a i r.
CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.
20

A D V R O E T S : I p r o f u se l y a p o l o g i se .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV ROETS:

T h e r e w a s o n e a s p e ct t h a t sl i p p e d m y m i n d

a n d t h a t i s I w i l l b e g t h e i n d u l g e n c e o f t h e C h a i r d i r e ct t h a t
h i s m e d i c a l c o n d i t i o n t h a t o f M r M a j o l a b e k e p t co n f i d e n t i a l .
C H A I R P E R S O N : O k a y. O k a y.
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A D V R O E T S : T h a n k yo u .
CHAIRPERSON: Thank you.
A D V H O F M E Y R : T h a n k y o u C h a i r.
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s M s H o f m e y r.
ADV HOFMEYR:

Chair as you indicated in your exchange

w i t h m y l e a r n e d f ri e n d M r R o e t s t h i s i s M r M a j o l a ’s s e c o n d
f o r m a l p o st p o n e m e n t a p p l i c a t i o n .

T h e f i r st w a s r e c e i v e d i n

F e b r u a r y o n t h e e v e o f h i s e vi d e n c e . T h e s e c o n d i s t h e o n e
m o v e d t o d a y a g a i n r e c e i v e d o n t h e e v e o f h i s e vi d e n c e . A n d
10

b e t w e e n t h o s e t w o a p p l i c a t i o n s w h e n h e w a s s ch e d u l e d t o
a t t e n d i n M a y w h e n w e w e re u n d u l y o p t i m i st i c t h a t t h e
c o m m i s si o n m i g h t b e a b l e t o co n v e n e t h e n w e a l so r e c e i v e d
c o n f i r m a t i o n t h a t i n a d v a n ce o f t h a t e vi d e n c e s c h e d u l i n g h e
h a d a g a i n b e e n a d m i t t e d t o h o s p i t a l a n d w a s u n a va i l a b l e .
S o C h a i r y o u r re c o l l e ct i o n t h a t o n t h r e e o c c a si o n s
a n t i ci p a t e d e vi d e n c e g i vi n g b y M r M a j o l a a t t h i s co m m i s si o n
has

been

i n c o r r e ct .

p r e ce d e d

by

a d m i s si o n s

Th o s e a r e t h e f a ct s.

to

hospital

is

not

T h a t i s w h a t w e si t w i t h

t o d a y a s y o u co n s i d e r t h i s a p p l i ca t i o n .
20

C h a i r t h a t i s a n u n f o rt u n a t e st a t e o f a ff a i r s I s u b m i t
b e ca u s e t h e e vi d e n ce o f M r X w h o d i d g i ve e vi d e n c e a n d
t e st i f i e d b e f o r e t h i s co m m i s si o n i m p l i ca t e d M r M a j o l a i n
l a rg e s c a l e l o o t i n g o f p u b l i c f u n d s w h i l e h e w a s p ro g r a m
m a n a g e r a t t h e M h l a t h u z e Wa t e r B o a r d .
A c c o r d i n g t o M r X ’s e vi d e n c e M r M a j o l a co o r d i n a t e d
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t h i s s c h e m e o f l o o t i n g a n d h e i n v o l v e d v a ri o u s e st a b l i s h e d
e n g i n e e ri n g f i rm s i n t h a t s c h e m e a n d i t w a s a s c h e m e i n
w h i c h M r X w a s a p a rt i ci p a n t b y h i s o w n a d m i s si o n .
The scheme Chair took money from the public purse
t h a t w a s i n t e n d e d f o r i m p o rt a n t p r o j e ct s – w a t e r p r o j e ct s i n
t h e a r e a a n d d i v e r t e d i t t o p r i va t e h a n d s.
C h a i r M r X ’s a l l e g a t i o n s a g a i n st M r M a j o l a a r e v e r y
s e r i o u s a n d i f t r u e t h e y i n d i c a t e n o t h i n g l e s s t h a n c ri m i n a l
c o n d u ct o n t h e p a rt o f M r M a j o l a .
10

T h e r e i s I t h e r e f o re s u b m i t a n i n t e n s e p u b l i c i n t e r e s t
i n t h i s c o m m i s s i o n r e c e i vi n g t h e v e r si o n o f Mr M a j o l a i n
re s p o n s e t o M r X
M r M a j o l a h a s b e e n r e p e a t e d l y i n v i t e d si n ce M r X ’s
e vi d e n c e i n F e b r u a r y t o p r o vi d e t h i s c o m m i s si o n w i t h h i s
v e r s i o n o n a ff i d a v i t . D e s p i t e t h o s e n u m e r o u s i n vi t a t i o n s a n d
t h e a l m o st f i v e m o n t h s si n c e M r X ’s e vi d e n c e n o a ff i d a vi t h a s
b e e n f o rt h c o m i n g .
C h a i r i t i s n o t t h e ca s e t h a t i n t h a t f i v e m o n t h p e ri o d
a t l e a st f r o m t h e f a ct s t h a t a r e d i s c l o s e d i n t h e a ff i d a vi t t h a t

20

Mr Majola has been indisposed or in hospital.

He has been

f o r p e ri o d s a s w e u n d e r st a n d t h e f a ct s b u t n o t c o n s i st e n t l y
f o r t h a t p e ri o d .
A n d a l t h o u g h s o m e e ff o rt h a s b e e n m a d e i n t h e
a ff i d a vi t b e f o r e y o u t o d e s cri b e t h e e ff o rt s t h a t h i s l e g a l
t e a m h a s t a k e n t o p r e p a r e t h a t a ff i d a vi t i t i s s o t h a t l a w y e r s
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all

around

the

country

under

C o vi d

ci r c u m st a n c e s

and

o t h e r w i s e h a v e m a n a g e d t o t a ke i n st ru ct i o n s f r o m cl i e n t s, t o
p r e p a re a ff i d a vi t s, t o co n v e n e vi rt u a l m e e t i n g s a n d i n d e e d t o
ru n c a s e s b e f o r e c o u rt s.
I t i s t h e r e f o r e i n o u r su b m i s si o n i n e x p l i c a b l e i n f a ct
h o w t h e c o m m i s s i o n c o u l d b e a l m o st f i v e m o n t h s f ro m t h e
e vi d e n c e o f M r X a n d n o t h a v e M r M a j o l a ’s v e r si o n e v e n o n
a ff i d a vi t b e f o r e i t .
C h a i r i n t h e l i g h t o f t h o s e – t h a t si t u a t i o n i t i s o u r
10

s u b m i s si o n t h a t t h e p o st p o n e m e n t a p p l i c a t i o n s h o u l d b e
a d d r e s s e d i n t h e f o l l o w i n g t e r m s.
C h a i r w e s u b m i t f i r st t h a t a s a p r a ct i c a l m a t t e r M r
M a j o l a i s n o t p re s e n t t o d a y. A s a p ra ct i c a l m a t t e r w e si m p l y
c a n n o t p r o ce e d w i t h h i s e vi d e n c e .

H e re m a i n s i n D u rb a n a s

I u n d e r st a n d i t w a i t i n g f o r a b e d a t a h o sp i t a l a t w h i c h h e
h a s b e e n a d m i t t e d b y h i s p h y si ci a n .
H e re i s a s a co n s e q u e n c e n o w a y i n w h i ch w e c a n
p r a ct i c a l l y p r o ce e d t o d a y a n d so t o t h e e xt e n t t h a t t h a t i s n o t
f e a si b l e w e s u b m i t t h e a p p l i c a t i o n s h o u l d b e g r a n t e d .
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But Chair we would like to submit to you that it
should not be granted without something more.

And the

s o m e t h i n g m o re C h a i r i s t h a t w e st i p u l a t e a n d y o u i n yo u r
ru l i n g d o s o t h e r e q u i r e m e n t t h a t M r M a j o l a d o e s p r o vi d e h i s
a ff i d a vi t , h i s v e r si o n t o t h i s c o m m i s si o n
I propose a reasonable amount of time. I do not have
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a sense of the details but something of the order of four
w e e k s I w a s g o i n g t o s u b m i t t o y o u m i g h t b e re a s o n a b l e . O n
m y co u n t t h a t w o u l d t a ke u s t o t h e 1 2 A u g u st 2 0 2 0 .
C h a i r m y l e a r n e d f ri e n d i n h i s s u b m i s si o n s t o y o u
e a rl i e r sa i d h e u n d e r st o o d t h a t a ff i d a vi t s w e r e v o l u n t a r y n o t
n e ce s s a ri l y c o m p e l l e d .

We l l o f c o u r s e C h a i r y o u h a v e t h e

p o w e r a n d t h e r e g u l a t i o n s t o i s s u e a d i r e ct i ve – a 1 0 / 6
d i re ct i v e w h i c h n o t o n l y m a k e s i t o b l i g a t o r y t o p r o vi d e a n
a ff i d a vi t b u t t h e p e r s o n w h o f a i l s t o p r o vi d e t h e a ff i d a vi t n o w
10

b e ca u s e o f t h e a m e n d m e n t t o t h e re g s c o m m i t s a c ri m i n a l
o ff e n c e i n f a ct .
We su b m i t i n a n y ru l i n g y o u g i v e t o d a y y o u s h o u l d
si m p l y st i p u l a t e t h a t t h e a ff i d a vi t i s re q u i r e d .

That it should

d e a l i n d e t a i l s a n d c o m p re h e n si v e l y w i t h t h e e vi d e n c e o f M r
X

both

in

the

a ff i d a v i t

v e r si o n

he

p r e se n t e d

to

the

c o m m i s si o n b u t a l s o t h e t r a n s cr i p t s o f h i s o ra l e v i d e n c e a n d
t h a t t h a t s h o u l d b e p r o vi d e d I su b m i t a r e a s o n a b l e t i m e
m i g h t b e i n t h e o r d e r o f f o u r w e e k s.
A n d C h a i r o n c e t h e c o m m i s si o n h a s r e c e i v e d t h a t
20

a ff i d a vi t o f c o u r s e i t ca n b e c o n si d e re d a n d f u rt h e r st e p s c a n
be

taken

i n cl u d i n g

s u m m o n si n g

Mr

Majola

if

that

is

n e ce s s a ry.
C h a i r t h o s e a r e o u r su b m i s si o n s i n r e l a t i o n t o t h e
a p p l i ca t i o n .
CHAIRPERSON:

A r e t h e r e – a r e t h e re s p e c i f i c q u e st i o n s
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t h a t h a v e b e e n e v e n t o M r M a j o l a t o a d d r e s s i n a n a ff i d a vi t
form?
ADV HOFMEYR:

C h a i r t h e r e w e r e i n a d v a n c e o f M r X ’s

e vi d e n c e .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV HOFMEYR:

B e c a u s e t h e re w e r e e n g a g e m e nt s w i t h M r

M a j o l a a n d M r X i n a d v a n c e o f t h e F e b r u a r y e vi d e n c e .
CHAIRPERSON: Hm.
ADV HOFMEYR:
10

At that point Mr Majola refused to engage

w i t h t h e c o m m i s s i o n a n d d i d n o t p r o vi d e a n s w e r s t o t h o se
q u e st i o n s.

Since

Mr

X ’s

e vi d e n ce

i t se l f

and

his

c o m p r e h e n si v e a ff i d a vi t t h e r e h a s n o t b e e n a f o l l o w u p w i t h
a d d i t i o n a l q u e st i o n s.
CHAIRPERSON: Hm.
ADV

HOFMEYR:

But that

is something that

we

could

c e rt a i n l y f a ci l i t a t e .
C H A I R P E R S O N : I a m – I a m t h i n ki n g t h a t C o u n s e l h e r e a n d
h i s i n st r u ct i n g a t t o r n e y w o u l d p r o b a b l y m a k e i t v e r y cl e a r t o
M r M a j o l a t h a t h e s h o u l d p r o vi d e a n a ff i d a vi t a n d s h o u l d
20

a n s w e r t h o se q u e st i o n s.
ADV HOFMEYR: Hm.
CHAIRPERSON: I – I believe that they would play that role.
S o I – I w o u l d b e i n cl i n e d t o i n cl u d e i n t h e o r d e r a n o r d e r
t h a t h e s h o u l d f u r n i s h a n a ff i d a v i t g i vi n g h i s v e r s i o n a n d
s p e ci f i c a l l y a n s w e r i n g t h e q u e st i o n s t h a t h a v e b e e n p u t t o
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h i m b y a c e rt a i n d a t e .
A s yo u st a n d t h e r e a r e y o u s a t i sf i e d t h a t t h o s e
q u e st i o n s t h a t h a s – w e r e p re v i o u sl y s e n t t o h i m a r e st i l l f i n e
t h e r e i s n o n e e d f o r a n y a m e n d m e n t s b e c a u se o b vi o u sl y h e
h a s p o s s e s si o n o f t h o se a n d – s o I c a n j u st m a k e a n o r d e r
t h a t – t h a t – t h o s e q u e st i o n s a r e st i l l v a l i d s o t o s p e a k .
A D V H O F M E Y R : C h a i r l e t m e – l e t m e c o rr e ct o n e a s p e ct ?
CHAIRPERSON: Hm.
A D V H O F M E Y R : We – w e n e v e r a c t u a l l y se n t q u e st i o n s.
10

C H A I R P E R S O N : O h o k a y.
ADV HOFMEYR: Per se.
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV

HOFMEYR:

So

it

would

j u st

be

around

c h a r a ct e r i sa t i o n .
CHAIRPERSON: Its topics ja.
ADV HOFMEYR: Its topics indeed.
CHAIRPERSON: It is topics ja.
ADV HOFMEYR:

S o f r o m t h e f i r st e n g a g e m e n t t h e g e n e r a l

t o p i c s h a v e b e e n c a n va s s e d .
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CHAIRPERSON:

Ye s t o s a y g i v e y o u r v e r si o n o n t h e s e

t o p i c s.
ADV HOFMEYR: On these events or…
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s o k a y.
A D V H O F M E Y R : E v e n t s o r t o p i c s.
CHAIRPERSON: No that is good enough.
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ADV HOFMEYR: Etcetera.
CHAIRPERSON: That is good enough.
ADV HOFMEYR:

H a vi n g sa i d t h a t t h o u g h t h a t h a p p e n e d

e a rl y o n i n t h e i n v e st i g a t i o n .
CHAIRPERSON: Hm.
ADV HOFMEYR:

A n d c e rt a i n l y, b y t h e t i m e o f M r X ’s

e vi d e n c e M r X ’s a c co u n t o f e v e n t s h a d f i l l e d o u t q u i t e
s u b st a n t i a l l y.
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
10

ADV HOFMEYR:

T h e r e w a s n o t t h e n a f u rt h e r r e t u r n t o M r

Majola to say…
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV HOFMEYR:

We l l n o w t h e re i s a f u l l e r ve r si o n b e ca u s e

t h e f u l l e r v e r si o n t h e n c a m e i n M r X ’s a ff i d a v i t .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
A D V H O F M E Y R : A n d i n h i s t e st i m o n y.
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV HOFMEYR:

S o a s I st a n d h e re t o d a y, I w o u l d s u g g e st

t h e o ri g i n a l t o p i c s re m a i n va l i d .
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C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV HOFMEYR:

B u t w h a t i s m o st c ri t i c a l i s t h a t t h e

a ff i d a vi t t h a t i s p r o d u c e d b y M r M a j o l a a d d re s s e s a l l t h e
re s p e ct s i n w h i c h M s X ’s e vi d e n c e i m p l i ca t e s h i m .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV HOFMEYR:

Refers to him.
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b a c kg r o u n d a n d c o n t e xt h e n e e d s t o g i ve .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
A D V H O F M E Y R : H i s v e r si o n f u l l y.
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
A D V H O F M E Y R : B u t t h e f o c u s I s u b m i t sh o u l d b e o n Mr X ’s
e vi d e n c e

because

that

is

the

l a t e st

i t e ra t i o n

of

the

i n v e st i g a t i o n .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s. Ye s.
ADV HOFMEYR:
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A n d w o u l d o ff e r M r M a j o l a I s u b m i t t h e –

t h e f u l l e st o p p o r t u n i t y t o m a k e s u r e t h a t n o t h i n g i s l e f t
u n a n s w e r e d i n t h i s l a t e st v e r si o n .
CHAIRPERSON:

A n d d o e s h e h a v e t h e t r a n s c ri p t o f M r X ’s

e vi d e n c e o r d o e s h e o n l y h a v e t h e a ff i d a vi t ?
ADV

HOFMEYR:

He

c e rt a i n l y

has

the

a ff i d a vi t .

The

t ra n s c ri p t s i s a v a i l a b l e o n t h e w e b si t e .
C H A I R P E R S O N : O n t h e w e b si t e . Ye s.
A D V H O F M E Y R : S o i t i s j u st a m a t t e r o f a cl i c k a n d I w o u l d
b e h a p p y t o p r o vi d e t h e l i n k l a t e r t o d a y.
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
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A D V H O F M E Y R : To m y l e a r n e d f ri e n d .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s. O ka y. A l ri g h t . T h a n k yo u .
A D V H O F M E Y R : T h a n k y o u C h a i r.
CHAIRPERSON:

Thank you.

C o u n s e l y o u ca n a d d re s s m e

f ro m t h e re i f – i f y o u w i s h b u t i f y o u w a n t t o g o t o t h e – t o
the podium that is fine.
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ADV ROETS:

Mr Chair I totally align myself with the

s u b m i s si o n s a d va n c e d b y m y l e a r n e d f ri e n d b e h i n d m e .
C H A I R P E R S O N : M s H o f m e yr y e s.
ADV ROETS:

A n d t h e c o u rt a t t h e ri s k o f b e i n g r e p e t i t i ve

re p e a t t h a t w e w i l l d o o u r u t m o st .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV ROETS: And see to it.
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
A D V R O E T S : T h a t t h o s e q u e st i o n s b e a n s w e re d .
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C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
A D V R O E T S : I n t h e f u l l e st e xt e n t t h a t w e a r e a b l e t o .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV ROETS:

A n d m o r e o v e r, I j u st w a n t t o p l a c e o n re c o r d

t h a t m y i n st r u ct i n g a t t o rn e y a d vi se d m e t h a t h e h a s i n f a ct
re c e i v e d t h e e vi d e n ce o f M r X .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s t h e a ff i d a vi t .
A D V R O E T S : T h e a ff i d a vi t .
C H A I R P E R S O N : O h n o , n o t h e t ra n s c ri p t .
A D V R O E T S : T h e e vi d e n c e .
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C H A I R P E R S O N : T h e t ra n s c ri p t .
A D V R O E T S : T h e t r a n s c ri p t s o f t h e e vi d e n c e o f M r X .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s o h t h a t i s g o o d j a .
A D V R O E T S : T h a n k yo u M r C h a i r.
CHAIRPERSON: That is good. In terms of timeframe for the
a ff i d a vi t I t h i n k t h e d o ct o r s a i d h e m i g h t b e i n h o s p i t a l t h a t i s
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Mr Majola might be in hospital for a few weeks or what or
two weeks in terms of the timeframe for the filing of that
a ff i d a vi t ?

W h a t d o y o u – I m e a n o b vi o u sl y M r – M r X h a s

h a d a m p l e t i m e i n t h e p a st f i v e m o n t h s t o d o s o b u t w h i l e h e
i s i n h o s p i t a l , h e c a n n o t d o a n yt h i n g .
A D V R O ET S :

C h a i r w e w i l l h a v e t o g e t t h e g u i d a n ce o f

c o u r s e o f t h e d o c t o r w h o t re a t s h i m b u t w e w i l l t r u l y t e l l t h e
d o ct o r h o w u r g e n t t h i s m at t e r i s a n d w h a t yo u r s e n t i m e n t s
are in this regard.
10

C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s. Ye s.
A D V R O E T S : A n d t h e r e i s n o t i m e t o b e w a st e d .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV ROETS:

Even if we have to burn the candle at both

e n d s.
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV ROETS: So...
C H A I R P E R S O N : S o m a yb e I c o u l d – w e c o u l d l o o k a t t h e 1 5
A u g u st I d o n o t k n o w w h a t d a y o f t h e w e e k i t i s ?
A D V R O E T S : 1 5 A u g u st – 1 5 A u g u st .
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CHAIRPERSON:

O n o r b e f o r e 1 5 A u g u st a n d i f f o r s o m e

re a s o n t h r o u g h u n f o r e s e e n ci r c u m st a n ce s t h e r e i s a r e a l
d i ff i c u l t y t h e n y o u c a n a p p l y f o r a n e xt e n s i o n b u t o b vi o u sl y
y o u u n d e r st a n d v e r y cl e a rl y w h a t m y …
A D V R O E T S : Yo u r a t t i t u d e i s C h a i r.
C H A I R P E R S O N : J a . Ja .
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A D V R O E T S : T h a n k yo u s o m u c h .
CHAIRPERSON:

Okay no thank you very much.

T h a n k yo u

very much.
ADV

HOFMEYR:

Thank

you

Chair

j u st

one

point

of

c o r r e ct i o n .
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV HOFMEYR:

Mi g h t h a v e b e e n m y i n a u d i b i l i t y w i t h t h e

m a s k.
C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
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A D V H O F M E Y R : B u t t h e 1 5 A u g u st i s i n f a ct a S a t u r d a y s o I
think the four weeks…
CHAIRPERSON: No I do not think it is your fault I think you
said 12.
A D V H O F M E Y R : Ye s. I d i d .
C H A I R P E R S O N : O h b u t I – b u t I t h o u g h t w e a r e o n 1 5 J u l y.
A D V H O F M E Y R : Ye s s o w e j u st a d d e d t h e m o n t h t o t h a t .
CHAIRPERSON: So one month 15th ja.
ADV

HOFMEYR:

E x a ct l y.

We l l

Chair the

12th is the

We d n e sd a y.
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C H A I R P E R S O N : Ye s.
ADV HOFMEYR:

A f t e r w h i c h i s e x a ct l y f o u r w e e k s f r o m

t o d a y b u t i f w e w e re t o m a k e i t t h e F ri d a y t h e 1 4 t h i t i s f l i m s y
m a t e ri a l t o m e .
CHAIRPERSON: Ja. I think… think…
A D V H O F M E Y R : J u st t h e 1 5 t h i s a S a t u rd a y.
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CHAIRPERSON: No, no that is fine.
ADV HOFMEYR: Thank you.
C H A I R P E R S O N : A ct u a l l y 3 0 d a y s w o u l d e x p i r e o n t h e 1 4 t h .
ADV HOFMEYR: Indeed.
CHAIRPERSON: Ja.
ADV HOFMEYR: Indeed.
C H A I R P E R S O N : O k a y. O k a y t h a n k y o u .
A D V H O F M E Y R : T h a n k y o u C h a i r.
C H A I R P E R S O N : T h e a p p l i ca t i o n f o r t h e p o st p o n e m e n t o f M r
10

M a j o l a ’s – o r
1. The

p o st p o n e m e n t

of

the

h e a ri n g

of

Mr

M a j o l a ’s

e vi d e n c e i s p o st p o n e d si n e a d h e r e .
2 . M r M a j o l a i s d i r e c t e d t o d e l i v e r a n a ff i d a vi t o n o r b e f o re
t h e 1 4 A u g u st 2 0 2 0 i n w h i ch h e d e a l s w i t h t h e t o p i c s
t h a t h a v e p r e vi o u sl y b e e n f u r n i sh e d t o h i m a n d g i v e s
h i s f u l l ve r si o n o n t h o s e t o p i c s w i t h r e g a rd t o t h e
e vi d e n c e g i v e n b y M r X b e f o r e t h i s c o m m i s si o n e a r l i e r
t h i s y e a r.
I t h i n k t h i s – t h a t c o v e r s e v e r yt h i n g I t h i n k.
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A D V H O F M E Y R : I n d e e d t h a n k y o u C h a i r.
CHAIRPERSON:
to

Counsel

O k a y t h a n k yo u v e r y m u c h a n d t h a n k y o u

and

his

i n st r u ct i n g

a t t o rn e y

for

their

determination to try and make sure that Mr Majola will
c o o p e r a t e i n m a k i n g su r e t h a t w e – w e d o n o t h a v e t h e s e
f u rt h e r p o st p o n e m e n t s i n t h e f u t u r e i f a t a l l p o s si b l e .
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We a d j o u r n .
R E G I S T R A R : A l l ri s e .

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